Трансмутация изначальной тени в воду. Изначальная вода

Частица воды - Предмет - World of Warcraft

According to thottbot Mote of Water has 140% chance of being fished from Elemental Plateu in Nagrand. I can't get there normally, so this might be a place restricted to lvl 70 with flying mount to ease the farming of Primal Water. Can anyone confirm if you have over 100% chance of fishing Mote of Water from it?

Комментарий от Arador

Highest drop rate is from the Crashing Wave Spirits on the elementals plateau in Nagrand. You need a flying mount to get there.

As per fishing, I suspect that they drop at the highest rate up on this plateau as well.

Комментарий от Aeacus

This may drop more on Elemental Plateau, but have you ever been up there? The elements are 70-71, dont drop the Motes of Water that much and if you die up there, theres no way to get your body, you gotta raise at grave yard! If that sounds fun to you, good luck with grinding. I however prefer getting them from the Lake Spirits around the throne. They're lvl 64-65, pish easy to kill (im a frost mage n still kill them with about 4 spells) and seem to have the same drop rate as the Crashing Spirits. Plus, if you mess up or go afk n die, you have easy access to your body!

Комментарий от Aeacus

Ah i must have just died in a really stupid place then. I still reckon Lake Spirits are better though.

Комментарий от Lobo2me

Tried the fishing at Elemental Plateu. Fishing normally there doesn't give anything better, but there is a school there called Pure Water, which will let you fish 3 times and gives 1-2 Mote of Water each time. Average drop rate is 4,2 mote of water from each school, there are 6 spawns there with 1 hour respawn time.

This is the same place with the mobs that drop Mote of Water.

Комментарий от Thaloc

Anyone have a Loc?

Комментарий от cerbeos

You know required fishing for this?

Комментарий от sorcen

I'd have to say that the fastest place to grind these is from the Shimmerscale Eels. With a 70 lock I can swim around Sylmer Lake, and never have to stop while farming. Assuming there isn't competition, I can usually net about 4 primals per hour (which includes a drink with each lap of the lake.), with very little effort. Since the mobs are lvl 64, they drop fast, and there is much less competition than on the elemental plateau. If there is competition, it tends to be lower level folks, who can easily be shoo'ed or ganked.

This location does have the drawback of being water, so you'll benefit from a waterbreathing buff, or a swimming speed buff; but I can still farm fast without either of these. You also have to go to the banks to eat or drink, but that isn't too much of a problem. (you can drink under the right waterfall without being attacked.)

What's more, this is a quick ride away from Shattrath, and does not require a flying mount, and you can head back to town easily to empty out your bags.

(The drop tables for them were changed several weeks ago when they primarily dropped motes of mana, hence the low drop rate which I feel isn't accurate. It should be around 25%)

Комментарий от Glucose

If you wanna farm Mote of water, then get your fishing skill to 330, and attach a +100 fishing lure make sure you got +2 fishing on your gloves (buy some grey cloth gloves) and you got a +20 fishing pole.

Then make your way to nagrand, start with the water at halaa, and move along the water from there upto the water elementals (flying mount/form is needed)

Комментарий от Nochin

Another good spot for non fisherman farming is the lagoon in Zangarmarsh.The 61-62 eels in that lake have a 16% drop rate. They also drop a lot of greens.

Close to the lake darkcrest sentrys floats around in the naga villages, they have around 30% drop rate. They call for help before dying so be sure to pull them away from naga mobs.

As a warrior i farm very slowly compared to other classes but i can manage at least one or two primals an hour.

Комментарий от McZLite

I got a from a pure water in nagrand... it was kind really disappointing

Комментарий от Searah

Another Thumbs up for Skettis area. Especially if you are a Warlock: The elementals are pretty squishy, so bring out the Felguard if you have it and cast unending breath on yourself. Got 5 primal water/hour there with only 2 other people in the area.

Комментарий от seidule

Skettis Surgers and Shimmerscale Eels are EASILY farmed with an Azure Silk Belt and Hook of the Master Angler (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19979#00zc). See my comment @ the Hook page for more info.

Комментарий от wowheadere9090

I made a quick outline of where all the best places to farm motes are. Very useful if, like me, you are farming many of them for a recipe of some sort.

Layout:(Zone) NPC name - Coordinates - % drop rate - link to page at Wohead

Mote of Air:(Nagrand) Storming Wind-Ripper - 69.21 (Throne of Elements) - 33.9% - http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=22310

Mote of Fire:(Nagrand) Raging Fire-Soul - 69.21 (Throne of Elements) - 34.1 - http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=22311

Mote of Water:(Terokkar Forest) Crashing Wave-Spirit - 63.17 (North-Western Throne of Elements) - 33.7 - http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=22309

Mote of Earth:(Blade's Edge Mountains) Sundered Rumbler - (Basically above and all below Area 52) - 18.8 - http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18881

Mote of Mana:(Netherstorm) Mana Wraith - 36.60 and 31.73 (Anywhere above Area 52 and more below. While you're at it, kill the Nether Rays as well, they have just as good of a chance to drop and are mostly in the same area) - 25.8 - http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18864

Mote of Life:(Zangarmarsh) I didn't find any specific place to farm for these because the zone is just rich with them. But I would suggest farming the Bogg/ Starving Bogg Lords and Fungal /Starving Fungal Giants because they are all very close. - The Spawning Glen (SW Zangarmarsh) and East of there is the Quagg Ridge - Very similar drop rates on all 4 mobs that I pointed out, 18.2 to 18.8 - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22575#00Rmz

Mote of Shadow:By far the most commonly found mote. This is dropped in almost every zone and can be easily farmed anywhere. But there may be a few exceptional areas just because npcs that drop them are close together, non-elite, and easy to kill. Here's one spot in a few that are exceptional: (Nagrand) Voidspawn - Again, no specific coords, but all around Oshu'Gun, the bigass crystal SW Nagrand. - 18.4 - http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=17981

Комментарий от lacitpo

Fishing in the Pure Water pools that spawn on the Elemental plateu has been as fast if not faster than any solo or group farming I've done for motes. This includes both 2 man farming the plateue which cause us to have to wait for spawns, and group farming the mobs in sketis.

Each pool yields 3-6 motes and you can grab 4-6 pools until you have to wait for them to respawn which I believe is around 30 minutes. Takes no more than 5-10 minutes to fish them depending on your skill level. I would recommend buffed fishing skill at around 450+

For any non-farm-friendly classes like me a holy priest this has been a great way to get primals. About 2 primals per trip to the plateu with no killing involved at all.

Комментарий от Sweetcakes

Motes of Water can be fished out of the "Pure Water" puddles you see in edge of the waters almost near the coasts in big lakes. You can loot about 1-2 from each cast, can catch up to 4-8 per "Pure Water" Puddle. They are all over in Nagrand - Zangamarsh - Terokkar Forest in the big lakes near the coasts. Most I've gotten from a "Pure Water" Puddle was 8 motes of water. I gotten 4 times 2x Mote of Water I guess i was very lucky on fishing them.

Комментарий от shwoom

Shhhhh...

Don't reveal the good farming spots -_-

Комментарий от shmoe010

Can anyone confirm the fishing skill required to obtain these from Pure Water? 450+ skill seems steep for a fishing spot in Nagrand.

Комментарий от Orie

Since Motes have a use function, you can drag them to your Action Bar to easily track how many you got while farming.

Комментарий от yellefish

waht fishing skill do i need to fish it?

Комментарий от Cutter

I have compiled a mini guide which is useful for pasteing into addons sucks as nIce Papyrus (notepad type addon for easy reading)

Simple Mote Grinding

Mote of Mana - 2g (BO wowhead average)

(Netherstorm)Mana Wraith 36.60 and 31.73 - 25.8%Nether RaysWarp MonstrosityMageslayerMana SeekerVoid Monstrosity---------------------------------------------------------

Mote of Air - 3g

(Nagrand)Storming Wind-Ripper - 69.21

(Shadowmoon Valley)Enraged Air Spirits - 63.59

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Mote of Fire - 3.5g

(Nagrand) Raging Fire-Soul - 69.21

(Blade's Edge Mountains)Vile Fire-Soul - 30.82

(Shadowmoon Valley)Enraged Fire Spirit - 48,45

---------------------------------------------------------

Mote of Water - 2.3g

(Terokkar Forest)Crashing Wave-Spirit - 63.17

(Terokkar Forest)Skettis Surger - 64,69

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Mote of Earth - 3.4g

(Blade's Edge Mountains)Sundered Rumbler - 31,61

Комментарий от Bawlss

in throne of elements area you can get 6 primals per hour without fishing if theres no competition

and im a healer. holy priest

Комментарий от nighthag

Mote Fishing:

Where: Elemental Plateau. They spawn more at night than during the day regardless of the spot. Repop roughly 10 minutes per spot. here are six spots.

Loot: Average 6-8 motes per spot, curious crate (fel iron ore, knothide scraps, etc), inscribed scrolls (levl V).

Fishing 225(+100)

Комментарий от Callister

I advise people to farm mote of water of Shimmerscale Eel

I walked in to the lake, started a jimi hendrix album and grinded for 1 hour and 20 minutes, got 5 primal.

They respawn very fast and are easily killed.

Комментарий от skovmayn

Best way to farm Primal Water is definently around Halaa - so easy mobs srsly.. Found like 4/h >.

- Also have to agree that Skettis is a nice place too though.

Комментарий от Gnamy

As a frost mage, hunting water elementals is quite a pain in the behind, so I went for the Eels above Shat.Result: 5 Primal Water in 40 minutes.Costs: 2 Nagrand Berries, ~1g of repair costs. Easily covered by the regular drops (9 stacks of greys, ~20g).

Pulling groups, AE them when they're together while swimming away backwards, then freezing them, Cone of Cold, and another AE to finish it off. I'm a regular frost mage who turned 70 a few days ago, but hasn't worked on gear yet. +470 damage, 8k mana. Still, almost no downtime. When you can't find big groups, you can wand them one by one to let your mana regenerate, and before you know it, you're good to go.Ate/drank 2 times in 40 minutes. Evocation covered the rest.

Комментарий от Lestor

Great place to farm for a holy priest. If you have Holy Nova you can easily AOE these things down. Just SWP to pull, and gather up a many as you can, probably 4-5 before risking a reset.. 2-3 Holy Novas and let the dots finish them. The shadow priest and warlock grinding next to me couldn't even keep up... After an hour I had 53 motes, 10 stacks of the fragments and such, and 6 greens. Not a bad haul for a holy priest.

Комментарий от kalmah

As of 2.3 you can see the gas clouds on your mini map. But I think they only appear if you have a helm that shows you vortexes. But I can see them with out one..it probably wont show up on the mini map.

Комментарий от clarkeyboy

Farmed up 10 Primals in 2 hours in Skettis on the Skettis Surger. Boring, but an abundance of mobs and lots of other things going on around you keep it interesting.

Drop rate seems to deteriorate over time though.

Комментарий от gingergod5

i can confirm that these are 1 of the best mobs to farm mote of water from, 1 nagrand cherry and 30 mins later i had killed over 60 mobs and i came out with over 70g worth of motes and drops, as a 70 fury dps warrior i found it extremely easy to kill these and 3 hits was all it took to kill them, i often found that my charge ability wasnt cooled down in time for my next victim :D

never went below 10500/10964 even when taking on up to 3 of them at once.

Комментарий от bootsanator

The Hydrocanehttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=9452Best Gnomeregan drop for a class without water-breathing and with the ability to wield a staff.I still use this thing at lvl 70, and can't see myself ever taking it out of my inventory.Great for any of these underwater mobs that drop motes.

Комментарий от groharlem

If you have an alt that you don't play as often, a strategy to use for farming these would be to level their fishing to 375 (tedious I know, but worth it), then log them in elemental plateau. There are 6 spawn locations for "pure water" which yield 4-10 motes each. They are about a 30-minute respawn. On lower-population realms you can usually log in every 30-45 minutes, fish 3-6 of these pure waters & then log off. Takes 8 minutes to fish all 6 if you have no competition.

I do this on my priest that I never play & usually fish up 2-3 primals per log-on. Also NOTE: that when you fish up one of these "pure water" pools, it often triggers an event to respawn another one. If you are on the far east or far west side of the map & fish 1 of the pure water pools, check the other side to see if another respawned before you decide to log out.

Комментарий от glassthorne

If you are an engineer, then it's possible to farm for these motes using the Zapthrottle Mote Extractor in Zangarmarsh. When running around Zangarmarsh, you'll come across glowing blue clouds hovering overground. With the Zapthrottle Mote Extractor, you can suck the motes of water right out of them.

Usually you can get between 3-5 motes per cloud this way.

Engineers get the schematic for this device by completing the quest "The Zapthrottle Mote Extractor!" ( Horde // Alliance ) in Zangarmarsh.

You can use this extractor to acquire motes from other regions of the Outlands as well.

Комментарий от moenbase

Since Zangar is quite a huge area it can be very hard to locate the clouds.Though the clouds give up to 3-5 motes, so getting 3 clouds is most of the time 1 Primal.On the long run it's probably very boring to run through the area for hours.

Комментарий от redrummer

All of your comments are helpful, especially since water and air are the two hardest types for me to get. However, being a miner, I have a built in advantage for motes of fire and of earth. These drop regularly from all mining nodes in Outland, the fire from fel iron nodes and the earth from any nodes.

Комментарий от johannhowitzer

Another nice spot for Motes of Water that is frostmage-friendly:

Muck Spawn in Nagrand. Make laps around the base of Halaa, they'll respawn by the time you make a lap, and the drop rate is 1% better than the eels in Terokkar. If you don't like swimming, fight Muck Spawn instead - the water's shallow enough that you never have to dive. Saves in waterbreathing potions if you prefer to ignore breath. Kills slightly slower but I find it's less of a bother, I hate underwater fighting. Not immune to frost spells.

EDIT: Maybe the biggest reason I like these better is that they feel faster - I was able to clear the entire pool of Eels and had to wait for respawn. Downtime = bad, and makes the Eels not any better than the Muck Spawn if you have a lot of bonus damage like me.

Комментарий от ss1874

For all the farmer for the mote and tradersDo not merge those motes, if your bag space allow!

The are no way that can convert Primal Water back to motes of Water nowAnd there are 3 receipts that use motes of water, in which set the price of motemore expensive than those primal (since the primal had little value than mote for leveling)So, don't merge them!

in my server, one primal sold at 10g, while one mote sold at 70sdon't be a poor soul like me, who lost 6g on a single right click

Комментарий от Gortalak

I strongly suggest farming these from the Skettis Surgers in Terokkar Forest. Not because of higher droprates, but because you cannnot kill them faster then they respawn.

I.E a unlimited supply of mobs to kill

Комментарий от Grads

For some reason these can't be placed in a Mammoth Mining Bag.

Комментарий от Grads

For some reason these can't be placed in a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38347

Комментарий от xxxstonie

Carefull !You can turn 10 (9) Motes of Water into 1 Primal Water.BUT You CANNOT Turn 1 Primal Water into 10(9) Motes of Water !

Комментарий от ziggy29

I can confirm that you can fish the motes in the Elemental Plateau in Nagrand with a "real" fishing skill as low as 201, as I just did it. I used an Aquadynamic Fish attractor lure (+100 for 10 mins) and Nat Pagle's FC-5000 rod for another +20, bringing me up to 321 apparent skill. But I was having no trouble fishing these up, getting 1-2 motes with maybe 2/3 of my casts and assorted stuff with the rest.

Комментарий от Jdekik

Actually seems like you don't need higher fishing skill to try on those "pure water" pools in this patch 4.2.2, I tried with my 30 points fishing skill getting 1-2 motes per cast as you can see here http://oi54.tinypic.com/330v1tu.jpg so you can do a full rotation killing these Water Elementals then fishing, killing, fishing, and on and on, you'll be surprised on how many Motes of water you can get at the end.

Комментарий от xpuntar

One interesting thing I just found out

Mote of Water is the only elemental Mote you cannot turn into Primal when you are mounted (and in air).

When you want to turn it in Primal it only show you "You are mounted" message. Other elemental Motes will turn into Primal with no problem even when flying in air.

Комментарий от Deathfrog93

So, if you are on a character at around the level when you enter Nagrand, and you are in a tight spot gold-wise, Primal water is a nice thing to farm. I bet you there is plenty of other stuff to farm at a lowish level, but I found this to be very easy. in nagrand, just under Halaa, there are A TON of s around Halaa basin in Nagrand. if you make a solid circuit around the lake, while killing all the elementals, by the time you reach where you started, they will have all spawned by then. also, if your lucky, the elementals will sometimes drop . one more thing is that you only have to be around level 64 to farm these, although, if you are level 85, you could farm much quicker, but then again, as level 85, these will not give as significant an amount of gold as some other stuff. in the auction house, primal water can go for at least 100g, but nowadays with everyone putting everything in the auction house for at least 200 gold higher than they are actually worth, it all depends. hope this was helpful!

Комментарий от JuliaHB

Частица воды (and therefore Изначальная Вода, which you get by combining 10 Частица воды) can be harvested from killing water creatures, but I found the absolute quickest and best way to get them is from fishing in the "Pure Water" Pools (I found six so far at the small lake above the Throne of the Elements in Nagrand and two down at Skysong Lake near the Throne of Elements). These "Pure Water" Pools, like fish pools, can be tracked by using your "Find Fish" ability, and I noticed that they have more of a bluish tint then regular fish pools (hovering over them with your pointer will also label them as "Pure Water"). You can fish from them anywhere from 2-4 times, and from these eight pools I got 48 Частица воды. Much faster than killing creatures!

As a side note you can kill the Могучий дух волнs or Озерный духs while waiting for the Pure Water Pools to respawn. These elementals will mostly drop Фрагмент духа стихии and Осколок элементаля, but you will also get Частица воды occasionally.

Комментарий от CurranBladeheart

Best way to do farm the motes is by fishing Pure Water at the Throne of the Elements, you get 1-3 motes per attempt and sometimes an offhand or chest, the elementals surrounding the pools can also be farmed for the motes, but at a lower rate, I managed to farm all the motes I needed in a matter of hours, using Raid Finder and Heroics to pass the time between respawns for the Pure Water.

Комментарий от mykro9

I found that resetting Black Temple before the first boss is a very easy way to farm motes of water. The 2 groups of the small water elementals (one group before the pipe leading up, and one group out of the way) and the 2 big guys right in front of the first boss are great sources. You can also kill and loot the water elementals in the packs with other mobs and ignore the rest of the mobs, or vanish/invisibility to drop aggro.

Pic with second group most people skip while farming BThttp://i57.tinypic.com/21jorro.jpg

Комментарий от Kurasu

One trip through the trash in Black Temple netted me 55 motes. That's a total of 5 primals worth for only a couple minutes work as a bear druid. Kill the trash, avoid pulling the boss, leave and reset, and you can keep doing it for pretty much as many motes as you need (until you reach your maximum instance limit, that is).

Комментарий от blabblez

If you are using your Zapthrottle Mote Extractor to farm Swamp Gas in Zangarmarsh, Here are some Tomtom coords from the swamp gas page.

Feel free to comment and add more. These will need 3 separate macros. Make sure to only use them in Zangarmarsh :)

/way 61.5 66.5/way 61.8 35.2/way 19 23.63/way 26.14 32.86/way 31.48 58.54/way 33.18 54.97/way 41.74 52.75/way 52.39 66.2/way 34.49 34.97/way 33.65 39.2/way 59.92 48.37/way 85.40 28.48/way 40.4 61.9/way 31.6 66.27/way 24.35 58.88

Provided by Odorous/way 85 49/way 78 79/way 75 83/way 65 73/way 63 66/way 60 54/way 58 52/way 59 35/way 46 58/way 45 56/way 38 58/way 24 56/way 9 51

/way 30 50/way 34 42/way 32 38/way 31 32/way 32 30/way 28 24/way 16 20/way 48 31/way 72 35/way 50 58/way 26 61/way 12 46

Комментарий от woofpuppy

I get about 26 per run killing ONLY the Aqueous Swarm as you come into the instance. There are 2 big groups of them to the right and around the bend. If you are a hunter turn on track elementals and you will see the 2 big groups.

Комментарий от Entilzha2161

To speed things up in the old Nagrand lake, I use Крючок лучшего рыболова to turn into a fish and swim much faster using "/cancelaura Master Angler" in my attack macro to remove the fish transformation when I want to attack. I then put it back up as soon as combat ends and swim like a fish to the next elemental; get around way quicker.

Комментарий от Haitham

The very best way to get these quickly is to go into Black Temple and kill only the water elementals. Be sure not to kill the boss. Then go out and reset the instance. You can easily gather up over a hundred motes in under an hour.

Комментарий от Mayo77

More testing is required for sure but, this reagent (talking BT runs) sure feels like it was nerfed since 7.3.5!

I got about 30% less motes of water than i "normally" would pre 7.3.5..

can anyone else verify this? or upvote if you agree!

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Трансмутация изначальной земли в воду - Заклинание

Краткая информация

....................TRANSMUTES........................................................................................Mana<->Fire <-Air....................................................|.......^.....................................................v........|......................................Life <-> Earth -> Water <-> Shadow.....................................................................

Комментарий от Wombat708

dos this have a cooldown?

Комментарий от norokelt

does it have shared cooldown with the other transmutes?if yes :( , which ones? ALL? or "just" the other primals?(can i transmute only once a day or i can ie. transmute Transmute: Primal Earth to Water & Transmute: Water to Undeath & Transmute: Mithril to Truesilver, etc? )

Комментарий от karijne

Looks like the cooldown on this was raised from 6 hours to 24 in the last patch. Just did a transmute at 0040 server time and the text says that it "resets at midnight."

Комментарий от Fist

..............PRIMAL TRANSMUTES AND THEIR SOURCES................................FtoM......MtoF.............Almaador...........................................ManaFire .................A: Narasu......|.............................^.........A, H:.................................H: Nasela......v.............................|.....Magnus Frostwake......Life Earth -------------------> Water Shadow...........EtoL..........LtoE..........Mycah.....................StoW......WtoS

DISCOVERY-driven recipies: Fire to ManaMana to Fire

Earth to LifeLife to Earth

Shadow to WaterWater to Shadow

REPUTATION requirements:Primal Air to Fire (REVERED) A: Primal Fire to Earth (REVERED)H: Primal Fire to Earth (REVERED)

Комментарий от natassja72

Is this transmute still on 1 day cooldown (patch 4.3.3), resetting at midnight? Or is it possible to transmute a stock at once?Don't know whether it is worth it to farm the reputation with Sporeggar to get the recipe.

Комментарий от wildtb

This is still on a daily cooldown as of 2/20/2013

Комментарий от slugtusk

Still on a daily CD as of the end of 5.3. I've done this one for three days or so now with no discoveries of new recipes. Anyone know a rough discovery rate?

Комментарий от Wimbleton

Can you believe this is still on a daily cooldown? On the other hand, my first daily (probably in years) today gave me a new recipe (Transmute: Primal Fire to Mana), so that part of it is still working. Primal Water is needed for Mooncloth, so this has become important for some Transmog patterns.

Превращение изначальной земли в изначальную воду.

Изначальная ВодаУровень предмета: 65Используется для ремесел

Максимум в стопке: 200

Цена продажи: 40

Добывается с: Палач из клана Изувеченной Длани

Шанс получения: 24.04%

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Трансмутация изначальной земли в воду

Восстановление: 1 день

Применение: 1.5 сек

Требует уровень: 45

Ингредиенты:Превращение изначальной земли в изначальную воду.

Изначальная ВодаУровень предмета: 65Используется для ремесел

Максимум в стопке: 200

Цена продажи: 40

Добывается с: Палач из клана Изувеченной Длани

Шанс получения: 24.04%

Ингредиенты

Описание заклинания

Дополнительная информация

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Трансмутация изначальной тени в воду - Заклинание

While this is a nice transmute, since you can change a 50s primal shadow into a 30g primal water, it's still a fairly inefficient way to get primal waters. Shimmercale eels in the lake northeast of Shattrath drop motes of water fairly regularly, and you'll do better farming those than farming shadow to transmute one per day.

This seems to me like a transmute to use for a quick 30g when I don't have something of more value to produce, i.e. primal might or diamonds from my own farming efforts.

Комментарий от Kikyo

got mine just now, was transmuting a skyfire diamond for a buddy and Bang " Serenity has discovered Transmute : Primal Shadow to Primal Water! not bad.. Primal Shadows are worth nothing, primal waters are worth alot more

Комментарий от Chillincold

Guide to discovering potions/flasks/elixirs/transmutes.

For the casual gamer:- Make sure your transmutation is always on cooldown. (You would probably log in at the same time everyday for a few hours, so keep a few reagents in your bag and do a transmute everytime its up.)

- Make potions and elixirs that you use although buying them from the auction house maybe cheaper than buying the reagents. ( You would probably have a cash flow set back so my advice is to have your second profession as herbalism to have a continuous supply of your own reagents.)

- Make yourself known to your guildmates and in game friends that you are an alchemist so that when party/raid members run low on potions/elixirs you can make some on the spot and charge them for it. (Try to keep stock of vials and herbs for potions/elixirs that move fast e.g netherbloom, terocone, mountain silversage, felweed, dreaming glory, etc...)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a potion master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a casual gamer trying to be a mobile alchemy auction house, potions are the most likely item people run out of that are essential to a raid/heroic.)

For the power gamer:- Your transmutation timer has no excuse to be up. (If you're absent minded or loose track of time, set an alarm.)

- Make potions and elixirs that suffice your usage. Craft the item of your chosen mastery. Spread your crafts on a few items so you don't flood the auction house with one item. You should be able to be the most competetive seller since your procs yield you extra items. ( After a week or two you will be familiar with the items that sell and those that dont. Make more of the ones that do sell.)

- Make macros to advertise yourself as an alchemist on general chat when you cross teritories and trade chat when ur at a major city. (I find that listing some of your best potions/elixirs/flasks helps because not everyone is an alchemist and not everyone knows the available items in alchemy.)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a elixir master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a power gamer can spread his liabilities as there are a lot more elixirs compared to potions and such a gamer would be able to gather materials to create flasks {falls under elixir mastery}.)

Tips- Always have reagents in your bag. If you run low on bag space priorotise for reagents on tansmutations.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know prices or download a mod that helps do it for you. I have mods but I still rely on my memory for all alchemy stuff because for alchemy its not an average of price over time. Its the price on that day, that week or that month. If your server is in end game you will be looking at completely different prices of all alchemy items compared to a server that has newly begun.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know your competitiors. If you can't beat their prices make a pact with them (e.g. you make certain items they make certain items, or if you're different masteries you should recomend your fellow customers to each other.)

- {More for power gamers} Be up to date on how far and how fast your server is progressing. This way you can be the first to be there with the items. (e.g. I sold more than 250 stacks of greater arcane protection potions alothough i knew how to make major arcane protection potions. At this point in time we're 3-4 months into the expansion and most players are still trying to save up cash or simply can't afford the major potions. On my server now, most guilds dont need them for the curator fight in karazhan but before they were experienced in taking him down they we're willing to pay my outrageous prices to have an edge on the encounters.)

Комментарий от Chillincold

Dirty tricks:Knowing the backdoors in every game and business encounter definately helps. Since this is the low down section of my thread, and undenyably unscrupulous. I will only let you in on one of the not so sinster of my plots. (For my own conscience sake I don't want to corrupt the world.)

- {For herbalists} If you know of an item that sells well but its reagents are never on the auction house, create an alternate character and park him at an auction house. Advertise items that require this reagent and sell it for double or triple the price on your alternate character so that the buyer doesn't know that its you. (e.g. Not many people know about greater arcane elixir, and its a great elixir for casters altough its a lower level elixir compared to post TBC items. I sell reagents such as dreamfoil and mountain silversage at triple the normal price on my alternate character. My customers usually ask me if they are usually that expensive, I either tell them "Yeah thats the normal price nowadays." or "Thats cheap!!")

From past experience I have to state this for my peace of mind. Please dont send me a mail or ask me for more details on the "Dirty tricks" section. Thank you for reading my post, and if you slept half way... DUDE/DUDET you missed out, what were you thinking trying to sleep in one of my lectures!

Комментарий от eqXzeRt

The best primal transmute yet. Primal water costs about ten times expencier then primal shadow. You should be lucky to discover it.

Комментарий от parigee

I got this on my 67 rogue doing a primal transmute.Doode, Lothar

Комментарий от dungfacchow

Anyone know the percent of how many will be made when you transmute from shadow to water?

Комментарий от keyifpezevengi

When I discovered primal water to shadow people make fun with me "hohoho you just learned how to transmute 25 g to 1 g"Next day, I discovered primal shadow to water. I guess I was a bit lucky.

Its really awesome, easy to earn money.. Free 25 g or more everyday (well it procs a lot)

Комментарий от dungfacchow

Ya, I learned Shadow to Water right when i hit 375 Alchemy, thats luck if you ask me.

Комментарий от Danfortman

I discovered this today while tranmuteing Primal Might.

Комментарий от Kaneli

I discovered this from a primal earth to water transmute.

Комментарий от Lillemand

wher can you get it?

Комментарий от Samboda

Possible primal transmutes are :

Air ==> Fire ==> Earth ==> Water ==> Air

Fire <=> Mana

Earth <=> Life

Water <=> Shadow

Комментарий от Sibuna

shadows on Warsong sell for 9 gold

Комментарий от nachotronic

Please dont write how do you get more gold if you trans. shadow to water, because that an example in your server, in mine server the p.shadow its for 19-22g and water 20-25g so its doesnt important only if need.

Or if want write that opinion whit the server you play for not confuse.

thats my opinion, you can write whatever you want.

Ciao

PD: my server its Venture Co :)

Комментарий от Takk

Just an FYI - Today on my 63 priest with 359 Alchemy I did a Skyfire Diamond Transmute in Ironforge in the AH room on Daggerspine server, after i did it -

BAM -- I make this discovery transmute..pretty cool i guess after reading the above posts and this being a random thing.

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Комментарий от Ludwick

Requirements to make a discovery

You must be crafting a potion, elixir, flask or performing a transmutation that was added in TBC.

As a rule of thumb that's anything that is learnt from a master alchemy trainer, dropped from a mob in outland or purchased from a vendor in outland. The only real exceptions are the pre-TBC flasks that have been made available from faction vendors in outland.

NOT requirements to make a discovery

You don't need to be in outland
You don't need a mastery
You don't need to be 375 alchemy
You don't need to be level 70
You don't need to craft yellow or orange recipes to make discoveries. Even grey recipes can proc discoveries
You don't need to be crafting a related recipe *except* in the case of cauldrons (You can discover flasks when making potions for example)

List of recipes learned by discovery (accurate as of 29/01/2008)

Flasks

PotionsTransmutesCauldrons - To discover these you need to be crafting the related major protection potion. Cauldron of Major Holy Protection is believed to be non-existent. The discovery of these recipes is much more likely.Cauldron of Major Arcane ProtectionCauldron of Major Fire ProtectionCauldron of Major Frost ProtectionCauldron of Major Nature ProtectionCauldron of Major Shadow Protection

Комментарий от Serai

since the mote of shadow no longer drops of everything that is even remotely demon related, but now only of void spawn, the use of this recipe has dropped significantly

Комментарий от warcanon

Transmute: Earth to water is THE best transmute if your just looking for the price difference and make a lot of money. But I didn't play TBC in the 2.0.12 patch so I can't say if primal shadow was cheaper at that time compared to today.Today, I can find a primal shadow for about 10-15G on a low-demand day. With transmute mastery I could get (very rare) up to 5x primals from a transmute. If you have this transmute and don't think it's worth farm sporeggar rep I see that this is a good use, if you can make sure you get about 10g profit from the primal you sell.Remember that prices on servers is different and there for, this is not a sure moneymaker.

Комментарий от Bubonic

For those who are trying to discover these transmutes, it is still possible, although I think that it may happen only with primal transmutes now (not including Transmute Primal Might). I spent about five months doing daily gem transmutes (Cardinal Ruby, etc.) along with as many primal mights as I could (2-5 per day) and didn't make a single discovery. Even though I had read that these discoveries were possible with just about any transmute, I switched solely to the primal transmutes (with the cooldown). Since then I've discovered two primal transmutes (Primal Water to Shadow and Primal Earth to Life) in about three weeks. I'd like to know if anyone else has made a primal discovery lately with any other kind of transmute; if not, it seems like primal transmutes are your best bet for discoveries right now.

Update: Discovered the last two primal transmute I didn't have in the next week.

Комментарий от ahazi

I've been keeping my CD's every day for this to get:

Primal shadow to waterPrimal earth to life

Not had a discovery in a long time, and it's a pain only being able to do one every 24 hours, been doing this for weeks and nothing.

as I'm trying to get all the alch recipes, only 9 short of total at the minute.

Комментарий от hjp426

Anyone discover this post-cata? Wondering if it's still just Primal Transmutes that gives you a chance to discover this... it's the last primal transmute I need. Been doing it for weeks on end, no discovery yet.

Комментарий от Fist

..............PRIMAL TRANSMUTES AND THEIR SOURCES................................FtoM......MtoF.............Almaador...........................................ManaFire .................A: Narasu...........|.................................^.........A, H:.................................H: Nasela...........v.................................|.....Fedryen Swiftspear......Life Earth -------------------> Water Shadow...........EtoL..........LtoE..........Mycah.....................StoW......WtoS

DISCOVERY-driven recipies: Fire to ManaMana to Fire

Earth to LifeLife to Earth

Shadow to WaterWater to Shadow

REPUTATION requirements:Recipe: Transmute Primal Water to AirPrimal Air to Fire (REVERED) A: Primal Fire to Earth (REVERED)H: Primal Fire to Earth (REVERED)

Комментарий от Schleepwalker

I was standing in water when I discovered the transmute. I know it doesn't add any bonuses, but if you want a bit of good luck ;)

Комментарий от Ornthorpe

I just discovered this shadow to water transmute at level 90 in Pandaria while transmuting the living steel daily. I have been a transmute master for 4 years. So never give up hope - but don't bother to pursue it.

Комментарий от herumor

Got water to shadow from crafting a super mana potion. These can and will be discovered from any TBC recipe, but you get better results from ones that are 375 skill recipes that use TBC mats. The daily transmute has a higher chance, yet it isn't the only thing that will let you discover new ones.

The trick with these discoveries is that they appear to be tied to the difficulty of the skill, and so when you out-level the recipes and they become gray, it will be a lot harder to finish the transmute discoveries. They changed this for future expansions so that they always have a % chance instead of a % modified by recipe difficulty.

In other words, don't advance the tier of your alchemy beyond 375 but max it out. Next sit and craft a bunch of the cheapest potions, elixirs, or flasks you can that are the most difficult (preferably orange). You can do the daily transmute as well since you won't be able to make living steel yet.

Of course, if you aren't just now skilling up you'd have to be willing to start over, but a day of farming plus a few hours of skilling up is a lot better than weeks or months of trying to finish these.

Комментарий от herumor

I can confirm that these primal transmute discoveries can proc when crafting Alchemist Stones. Happened to me today.

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You don't need to be in outland
You don't need a mastery
You don't need to be 375 alchemy
You don't need to be level 70
You don't need to craft yellow or orange recipes to make discoveries. Even grey recipes can proc discoveries
You don't need to be crafting a related recipe *except* in the case of cauldrons (You can discover flasks when making potions for example)

List of recipes learned by discovery (accurate as of 29/01/2008)

Flasks

Комментарий от Awnee

Lol the Picture is wrong it should be the other way around, if anyone else noticed that

Комментарий от julesberg

I discovered this while I was transmuting primal might.

Комментарий от Bubonic

Update: Discovered the last two primal transmutes I was missing in the next week.

Комментарий от slyrus

Good info, I too have been doing the same usage. Half a year of transmuting epic wotlk grade gems and not a single primal transmute disc. Pumped quite a few pennies in Primal might with no BC xmute disc proc either. Also wasted quite of few CDs transmuting pre-BC elementals at no success getting primal xmutes.

Having only the primal might available (without discovery proc), a new generation alchemist these days will have to grind rep with some BC factions to get the first few primals xmute recipes and his list going. I think I'll be grinding some long awaiting BC rep (I was 68 on my first 70 when wotlk was released) Good thing I'm exalted with all Northrend's factions now ;) Not needed of course for these days but still for completion of course. I've gotten many elemental xmute recipe from pre-BC that I will prob never use until the the COOLDOWN is removed. I don't know how Blizzard see's this issue but I really don't think a 5g items should share CDs with a 200g one... Anyways, here's something to get you started with Primal transmute recipes.

Here's the 4 Outlands(BC only) alchemy transmute recipes that you can buy with proper rep standing;

Комментарий от untossable

So far I did not discover a single BC elemental transmute by doing

BC potions/elixirs
BC Primal Might
WotLK potions/elixirs
WotLK elemental, titan and gem transmutes

Whereas I discovered all WotLK elemental transmutes from either transmuting saronite into titan or doing WotLK elemental transmutes.

A few days ago I pushed my reputation with Sporeggar to revered.Since then I did 5 x Transmute: Primal Earth to Water with no discovery and no proc (Transmutation Master) so far ...

Update: 2 days ago a GM finally confirmed that there currently is a problem with BC transmutes not triggering discoveries of other transmutes.

Комментарий от Fist

..............PRIMAL TRANSMUTES AND THEIR SOURCES................................FtoM......MtoF.............Almaador...........................................ManaFire .................A: Narasu...........|.................................^.........A, H:.................................H: Nasela...........v.................................|.....Fedryen Swiftspear......Life Earth -------------------> Water Shadow...........EtoL..........LtoE..........Mycah.....................StoW......WtoS

DISCOVERY-driven recipies: Fire to ManaMana to Fire

Earth to LifeLife to Earth

Shadow to WaterWater to Shadow

REPUTATION requirements:Recipe: Transmute Primal Water to AirPrimal Air to Fire (REVERED) A: Primal Fire to Earth (REVERED)H: Primal Fire to Earth (REVERED)

Комментарий от herumor

Got this from crafting a super mana potion. These can and will be discovered from any TBC recipe, but you get better results from ones that are 375 skill recipes that use TBC mats. The daily transmute has a higher chance, yet it isn't the only thing that will let you discover new ones.

Комментарий от herumor

I discovered this when I crafted an Alchemist Stone.

This means crafting TBC era philosopher stones can proc the primal transmute discoveries.

Комментарий от herumor

I can confirm that these primal transmute discoveries can proc when crafting Alchemist Stones. Happened to me today.

Комментарий от MerlinxIllidan

I learned this BC recipe today doing my daily cooldown transmute but I did Transmute Eternal Water to Fire which is a WoTLK recipe.

Which I can safely asume, confirm and share, lvl 70 primal recipes transmutation can be learn doing WotLK transmutes for the eternal reagents.

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